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  • This problem is more complicated, than it looks like.


    In the past the most popular maps costs about 40 000 - 50 000€/month. Then there were a lot of complaints, that maps are too expensive. All prices of concessions were lowered probably by 50%( maybe less, maybe more). The most used maps are now around 30 000€, which is really not high. We got higher ranks, players has higher revenues than before. So where is the problem?

    There is problem that there are still more and more companies, which want to have the best maps, but the problem is that there aren't enough players. This is dangerous spiral for the future, and will lead into another problems. If the map concessions will be again lowered, there will be again more companies and less players.


    But let's go back: There are multiple factors, how the price of concession is calculated. To be honest, probably all maps normally costs maximally about 5 000 - 15 000€/month (this is standard price without global calculation (number of owners)), but the price is overpriced due to other factors - the more companies have this map bought, the higher will be price of the concession. This is caused by multiplayer "coefficient".


    So if map concessions will be lowered again due to some mod splitting, it will be in one year same as before. More companies buy this map, the price will again will be higher.



    The reality is that we are talking about a few thousand € per popular map, if linien packs gets priced as "something more". Linien packs are only on a few maps, we are mostly talking about Ruhrgebiet, A&L, Ahlheim V4, Krefrath and some other small maps. Do you really want to spare just maybe 5000-10 000€/month on a few maps, which will cost due to mod splitting more again in future?


    If you think you are paying more than 10 000€ per map just for the linien packs, you are probably wrong. The price is not that higher due to more lines.

    PS: If you have to low prices of the maps, you can create local company, where the prices of concessions aren't affected by multiplayer coeffiecient - this is why the maps are expensive in MP. All concessions costs are there just a few thousands (as I said maximally 15 000€ per map, but mostly all around 8-10 000€).

    Best Regards,

    TheFloxiCz

    4 Mal editiert, zuletzt von TheFloxiCz () aus folgendem Grund: Fixed typos

  • Thanks for the explanation. I thought only the size of the map and the number of lines would affect the price.

    the more companies have this map bought, the higher will be price of the concession.

    I've never thought about the "popularity" problem. Now it makes sense when Hamburg line 20 came out, the price of Hafencity dropped a lot.

    And after reading your explanation I think the price is acceptable.


    But, since the price is partly affected by popularity, is it possible to have a statistic in BCS to show how much the map itself is and the popularity & price changes according to months?

  • Someone from TripTeam could explain price calculation more, but what I know is that basic price of map is calculated by map size and number of lines (and maybe something more). I don't know if line packs are even calculated in this standard price, since they are added by time and not at the time when the map is being added into database - it's possible, that the price is every time calculated without line packs and they aren't even counted.


    So you have some basic price without coefficient and then for public and private companies are there price coeffiecient, which automatically increasing price of concession by number of owners (companies). So as you write, the higher popularity of the map, the higher price of the map is for everyone. Lower popularity means lower price. But at overall the price cannot be lower than the basic one. That's why is price of HafenCIty map much lower than before.

    Local companies paying only basic price without coefficient, so the map concessions is very low (but you are limited to maximally 16 players).


    At overall, I think you idea isn't bad. The question is if it the line packs are even calculated in the price. Maybe no, maybe yes.

  • Hi CaptainZhang,


    All the information described by TheFloxiCz is correct in this respect. I would only like to add that there are no statistics on the price of the maps. However, as I document all expenditure in the company's accounts, I will gladly give you an example using the very popular map "Ahlheim Laurenzbach Updated" since October 2018.


    September 2023 Differenz August 2023 Differenz Juli 2023 Differenz Juni 2023 Differenz Mai 2023 Differenz April 2023 Differenz März 2023 Differenz Februar 2023 Differenz Januar 2023 Differenz Dezember 2022 Differenz November 2022 Differenz Oktober 2022 Differenz September 2022 Differenz August 2022 Differenz Juli 2022 Differenz Juni 2022 Differenz Mai 2022 Differenz April 2022 Differenz März 2022 Differenz Februar 2022 Differenz Januar 2022 Differenz Dezember 2021 Differenz November 2021 Differenz Oktober 2021 Differenz Sept 2021 Differenz August 2021 Differenz Juli 2021 Differenz Juni 2021 Differenz Mai 2021 Differenz April 2021 Differenz März 2021 Differenz Februar 2021 Differenz Januar 2021 Differenz Dezember 2020 Differenz November 2020 Differenz Oktober 2020 Differenz September 2020 Differenz August 2020 Differenz Juli 2020 Differenz Juni 2020 Differenz Mai 2020 Differenz April 2020 Differenz März 2020 Differenz Februar 2020 Differenz Januar 2020 Differenz Dezember 2019 Differenz November 2019 Differenz Oktober 2019 Differenz September 2019 Differenz August 2019 Differenz Juli 2019 Differenz Juni 2019 Differenz Mai 2019 Differenz April 2019 Differenz März 2019 Differenz Februar 2019 Differenz Januar 2019 Differenz Dezember 2018 Differenz November 2018 Differenz Oktober 2018
    13.036,00 € -123,00 € 13.159,00 € 0,00 € 13.159,00 € 574,00 € 12.585,00 € -1.820,00 € 14.405,00 € 2.725,00 € 11.680,00 € -1.507,00 € 13.187,00 € 316,00 € 12.871,00 € 1.736,00 € 11.135,00 € -1.246,00 € 12.381,00 € 1.304,00 € 11.077,00 € -1.460,00 € 12.537,00 € -198,00 € 12.735,00 € 950,00 € 11.785,00 € -19.164,00 € 30.949,00 € -207,00 € 31.156,00 € 2.284,00 € 28.872,00 € 2.137,00 € 26.735,00 € 403,00 € 26.332,00 € 1.379,00 € 24.953,00 € -4.334,00 € 29.287,00 € 5.816,00 € 23.471,00 € -2.460,00 € 25.931,00 € 383,00 € 25.548,00 € -383,00 € 25.931,00 € -1.695,00 € 27.626,00 € 2.078,00 € 25.548,00 € 1.226,00 € 24.322,00 € -13.689,00 € 38.011,00 € 7.477,00 € 30.534,00 € -1.828,00 € 32.362,00 € 2.157,00 € 30.205,00 € 87,00 € 30.118,00 € 2.077,00 € 28.041,00 € -1.105,00 € 29.146,00 € -557,00 € 29.703,00 € -2.003,00 € 31.706,00 € 6.670,00 € 25.036,00 € -1.821,00 € 26.857,00 € 0,00 € 26.857,00 € -10.469,00 € 37.326,00 € 5.462,00 € 31.864,00 € -910,00 € 32.774,00 € -3.187,00 € 35.961,00 € 2.276,00 € 33.685,00 € 4.097,00 € 29.588,00 € 0,00 € 29.588,00 € -455,00 € 30.043,00 € 0,00 € 30.043,00 € -1.366,00 € 31.409,00 € 1.821,00 € 29.588,00 € -1.366,00 € 30.954,00 € 2.276,00 € 28.678,00 € -3.186,00 € 31.864,00 € 2.731,00 € 29.133,00 € -2.276,00 € 31.409,00 € 1.821,00 € 29.588,00 € -3.642,00 € 33.230,00 € -3.641,00 € 36.871,00 € 910,00 € 35.961,00 €

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